This is part one of a five part series called Top Five Shooters in Utah Jazz History.
In order to categorize these players, I had to set some parameters to measure them by. Here are the parameters.
First, the player had to play at least 200 games with Utah Jazz, which is at least two and half seasons with the Jazz. This is why Kyle Korver does not qualify for this list (180) and Raja Bell does (213).
Second, the player had to be shorter than 6’6”.
Third, I have included the N.O. days because their records and stats are in our history database.
Here is the query on Basketball Reference. http://bit.ly/pJxJp4
#5 Adrian Dantley
Dantley has the highest FG% of any player that fits our query. Dantley was not a three-point shooter. He was an early prototype for the shooting forward, playing both positions during his career depending on the matchups with the other team.
Adrian Dantley was an amazing scorer while he was with the Utah Jazz. He won the league scoring title in 81 and 84 averaging over 30 ppg. He is one of three players in Utah Jazz history (Malone 90) (Maravich 77) to average over 30 points for a season. He accomplished this four times (81-84.)
One of the things that made AD such a great shooter was his ability to get to the rim (he led the league in free throws five times). His ability to get to the basket forced defenders to play off of him a bit, so he was able to get his jump shots off with little or no defense. He had an amazing post up game for only being 6’4”, he was regularly scoring on, over and around guys 5-7 inches taller than him. There are not a lot of video options for Dantley, but this is probably the best video that shows his all around game.
AD’s best season was the 83-84 season, when he led the league in scoring, per, win% ftm, fta. These stats are pretty amazing considering you had players like Bird, Magic, Moses Malone, Kareem, Erving , Isiah Thomas in the league.
AD played one of the most memorable college basketball games ever. He was on the Notre Dame team that broke UCLA’s 88 game-winning streak.
The Utah Jazz retired Dantley’s uniform #4 on April 11th, 2007.
AD was elected to the basketball hall of fame on April 7 2008.
Let us know what you think.
It took 133 days, 22 hours and 41 minutes for the full range of the Deron Williams trade's consequences to become apparent to me. At 8 o'clock this morning as I groggily stumbled through my TweetDeck overnights I became aware of the most important short term effect of that (in)famous transaction. I'm not referring to Derrick Favors' blocks or Enes Kanter's endearing interviews or two for one dollar DWill jerseys at Fanzz, I'm referring to the psychological peace and quiet of not having to worry or care about what Deron Williams is going to do with himself and that despicable beard.
I should backtrack and say that once I had recovered my voice from all the shouting and my thumbs had stopped throbbing from the frenetic tweeting, I did take some comfort in knowing that I wouldn't have to worry about secret All Star Weekend conversations with the Knicks or other nightmare scenarios in which we would lose Deron Williams for a whole bag of nothing. I didn't, however, understand the magnitude of relief I would feel come summer time when even with the lockout staring us in the face, "simply" missing a season wouldn't have been Utah's worst case scenario.
So while we spend time, fingers crossed, waiting for the lockout to come to a close so that our fresh, young, athletic core can get some time together to build chemistry and learn an offense, Nets fans on the other side of the continent can experience all the grief and anxiety we were careening toward late last winter.
Is it rude to thank someone and apologize simultaneously? Don't care. Thanks and sorry, Jerseyites. I don't envy you. Have fun with this Turkey thing.
Seriously, this could be our Haboob (click it, you know you are curious and I assure you it is safe for work). Every Tweet, DailyDime and PTI subsection that mentions the name of the second of our great former point guards, from now until the moment the former Illini inks a deal wherever he inks it, is gonna be riddled with speculation of the sort that can fracture the foundations of the most established NBA franchises. "What is going to happen to our franchise player and what can we do about it?" The answer is, as we here on the Wasatch Front have known for a long time, not a dang thing.
I had always given #8 the benefit of the doubt. I assumed that whatever he was doing he was doing in good faith. I took him at his word when he professed that he didn't want to handle himself like LeBron, that his tight lippedness was really about professionalism and preserving his and his franchise's dignity. I still take him at his word. I won't assassinate his character. I think he is an outstanding player and person. I also believe that he was our first true superstar of the new millenium and as such was guaranteed to be the first to crush our illusions about loyalty in the NBA. We had been warned about Boozer. But Deron was homegrown, trusted and idolized and even after the short contract signing we always hoped he'd be like John and Karl. Loyal even if he had to blow off steam in the media before signing on for another go at it.
The problem is that we'll never know what Deron would have done because our manangement kicked the "coming to terms with the reality of the NBA" stone down the road a bit more.
The reality of modern pro sports is what Jazz fans have been sheltered from for a long time. We haven't faced real drama or fear. When it looked like it was going to go bad our management swept in, nipped it in the bud and gave us certainty for the near future. That is, essentially, what they have always done. I'm grateful for it. I don't want to worry about DWill which is exactly what I'd be doing like gangbusters if he were still here. It just wouldn't be fun anymore.
We now stand at the fence, to finally get around to the metaphor I've been circling, between two yards. On the other side there is grass, just like there is on our side. Our grass is green and young and time will tell whether it will yield a yard worthy of a "Best Lawn in the Neighborhood Award." We should be happy with that. We don't have any weeds and its very nicely mowed and there's probably a trampoline. The grass on the other side is fine right now too, no greener than ours. But a storm is coming and our yard has bigger trees and better shelter. Their yard may well weather the storm and end up looking spectacular, perhaps even better than ours. But the first big raindrop just fell, and the neighbors have to be wondering if the storm is going to flood them out and wash the grass away. We can just chill here on the porch and drink lemonade, knowing that for now at least, things are cool.
This is an English translation of this article
Nets point guard commits to Besiktas4
Deron Williams is the first big NBA star to migrate by the 'lockout'
NTV television Ottoman Segna SPOR the basis of the New Jersey Nets will have been committed with Besiktas. His signing may involve kick off a mass exodus of stars in the NBA.
GUILLERMO GARCES 07/07/11 - 12:10
After many rumors about l or will happen to the players in the NBA during the 'lockout' , it seems that finally the League stars begin to clarify his future.
Deron Williams, the player on the Nets want to build a team Campen , has reached an agreement in principle with Turque Besiktas to play as long as the closure of the NBA. As it has secured at least SPORT NTV, one of the more important Turque televisions.
The base, you earn 15 million dollars a year, wants to keep playing as long as the 'lockout' and has been open season on stars that can migrate to European basketball. Besiktas, who has already signed Zaza Pachulia, you know what it is to have another star in the NBA in its ranks since the last season in its ranks had Allen Iverson.
This move joins and Habanos players signed by European clubs. Old friends of the continental hobby Nenad Krstic (Boston CSKA), David Andersen (which has signed the Montepaschi), Sakura (signing Pau) or Hilton Armstrong or players like DaJuan Summers, who vivirn first experience outside the United States.
The signing of Williams can make kick-started the exodus of the big NBA stars, who seek to keep playing as long as the 'lockout'. In addition to Williams' other big names like Kirilenko or the mismsimo Kobe Bryant have already pointed his interest to play outside the U.S. at least, during the lockout in the NBA. The door is already open.
This is the google translation of this article .
We @clintonite33 @monilogue @theutahjazzblog that this would equal about 5.6-5.8 million a year with taxes exchange rates and so forth. . The MLE was $5.854 million for the 2009–10 season so....
After ten seasons with the Utah Jazz
Kirilenko wants to play in the ACB
Kirilenko, 30 years, said that unlike the vast majority of his colleagues in the NBA, l is a free agent and can negotiate with the team that suits ms
Andri Russian Kirilenko, who has played for during the last ten seasons in the NBA Utah Jazz, he expressed interest in joining a team after the lockout espaol of the American Basketball League.
"There are many interesting competitions in Europe. For example, Spanish. Ms is the strongest league in the continent. It will be interesting to test all "seal Kirilenko to Russian media.
Kirilenko, 30 years, said that unlike the vast majority of his colleagues in the NBA, l is a free agent and can negotiate with the team more suited to it, either in the NBA or in Europe.
"If the lockout ends, they tendrn return to the NBA. Meanwhile, I, being a free agent, I can play a full season in Europe WHO or elsewhere," he said.
The Russian, who was named player of the European Championship in 2007 in Madrid, in which Russia defeated Spain in the final, will only go to a team who is really interested in their services and that suits their qualities.
"Mention a team is premature. My agent est studying the different clubs and within two weeks I make a list of offerings, "asever.
Kirilenko, who lost the title in the Jazz in the LAST season, ensures that you only vspera are interested in signing a long-life, whether in Europe or the NBA.
In addition, denied that the current NBA labor dispute will cause a massive landing of stars in the American Basketball League in the European leagues.
Fantasy sports ugh.... With both leagues on thin ice, (b)millions are at stake on the fantasy end of things.
Josh Whitling has picked Alec as a sleeper for next year's rookie fantasy impact players.
Alec Burks, SG, Utah Jazz: He's got the prototypical NBA shooting guard size, can create his own shot, handle the ball and get to the line. But he likely lacks a consistent NBA 3-pointer right now, and will be facing much stiffer defensive competition than he did playing at Colorado. Still, there should be some minutes for him at the 2 in Utah, and his versatility will be valuable. If Raja Bell battles injuries or Gordon Hayward doesn't pan out, Burks could find himself with enough minutes to be on the fringe of fantasy worthiness.
Get more Alec Burks insider info here.
Josh Whitling is a fantasy basketball analyst for ESPN.com.
Derrick Favors, F/C, Utah Jazz
7.3 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.6 apg (6.8, 5.3, 0.5)
Favors, who will turn 20 next week, was the NBA's youngest player a season ago, so rapid improvement is to be expected. The average player similar to him did in fact improve by 13.1 percent the following season, barely edging out Cousins for the most projected development heading into Year 2. Favors' numbers are likely to trend upward across the board, though the extent of his development may not be evident unless he's able to carve out additional minutes in a frontcourt that has become crowded with the addition of No. 3 pick Enes Kanter. Favors does have a unique claim to playing time in that he's the best defender of the Jazz's options up front.
Kevin Pelton covers the NBA for ESPN Insider. He has been writing about pro basketball since 2003 for several publications, including Hoopsworld.com, 82games.com and SI.com, and he has been an author for Basketball Prospectus since the site's inception in 2007. You can find his ESPN archives here and follow him on Twitter here.
I personally think this is why we try and move Millsap. I don't want to, but I think the log jam causes some development problems for both Favors and Kanter.
Jordan Heimer over @ClipperBlog mentioned the Utah Jazz on ESPN's 5x5 today. If you haven't been reading the 5x5 it's really good and gives you a league wide perspective.
Surprise Surprise: Which team will surprise us next season?
Jordan Heimer, ClipperBlog: After you trade your franchise player (Deron Williams) and lose your Hall of Fame coach (Jerry Sloan), you're supposed to fall into a protracted rebuilding process … which the Jazz managed to squeeze into six months. A rebuilt core of Devin Harris, Alec Burks, Al Jefferson, Gordon Hayward, Derrick Favors, Enes Kanter and Paul Millsap will be one of the league's most sneakily entertaining teams.
First, I should say that I love the guys at TBJ (The Basketball Jones) and all of their guest writers/contributors. Mostly, because they are, what I feel are where a lot of bloggers want to be/go i.e. make a living writing about our favorite stuff.
Here is the link to the post by Dennis Velasco The 10 best point guards of the past three decades... You should read the article in its entirety for the complete rankings and the beginning for his ranking parameters.
Dennis Velasco@dv140 gives Stockton some props.
2. John Stockton, Utah Jazz (1984- 2003)
1504 G; 13.1 PPG; 10.5 APG; 2.7 RPG; 0.6 3PTM; 51.5 FG%; 82.6 FT%; 2.2 SPG
It’s fitting that Stockton gets ranked second on this list because he was the second-best player on his team after Karl Malone. In my conversations about top point guards with other people, I think that Stockton is always underrated, which I blame on the aforementioned Mailman taking the spotlight (rightly so), playing in Utah versus some of the bigger markets and not winning a title, although coming close. Oddly enough, other than the last point, Stockton probably wouldn’t have it any other way.
Stockton never averaged more than 17.2 points in a season, but surely had the ability to score 20+ points if he wanted to. His excellent shooting percentage for a guard and his adeptness in penetrating would point to the fact that Stockton could have averaged more points, but that wasn’t him. In his 19 NBA seasons, Stockton played a full slate of games in 17 of them, which includes the 50 game strike-shortened 1998-99 season. He averaged double-digits in assists in 10 seasons, leading the league in nine of them. Stockton also led the league steals per game twice.
While Stockton won’t speak much about his achievements, the statistics do all the talking for him. He owns excellent rates in PER (21.8) and ORtg (121), but all you need to know that he is the NBA’s all-time leader inassists (15,806) and steals (3,265) and he owns those records by a lot. Don’t expect them to fall any time soon.
I am partial to John Stockton being number one, because I don't think that Magic is/was a point guard. However, the championships make up for a lot of the stats and longevity of Stockton. This argument has made before "Pound for Pound" with Bolerjack and others a few years back.
On draft night 2011 got into a little discussion about the best T.V. show ever Lost or Seinfeld. After 20 minutes of discussing we decided that you couldn't compare the two because they are totally different genres and audiences. We used the Stockton and Magic final argument you just can't compare the two because they were two totally different breeds of PG's.
Who do you rank number one, Stock or Magic?
And what is the best TV show Lost or Seinfeld?
If we lack an archive of information on the Utah Jazz's third pick in the 2011 NBA Draft, we at least have something to go on for the 12 pick, one Alec Burks, who made his way to Utah via his hometown Grandview, Missouri. Netting the 2009 Missouri Gatorade Player of the Year award while putting up 22.0 ppg and 6.3 rpg as a senior earned him a look from the University of Colorado.
"September, 2008: Alec is a long and thin combo guard. He is a skilled lefty that is good at running a team as a point guard. He has solid vision but is more of a run the team, set up point guard. He is a solid athlete and is an effective slasher to the basket. He is a solid shooter with range to 19 feet. As a wing he takes on a more aggressive mentality and looks for his shot a little more. His length enables him to be a pretty good defender, though he can struggle with quickness on the perimeter. He needs to get stronger in order to be more effective in the rough and tumble Big 12 but his skill, length and potential make him a good get for the Buffs. He has a very good upside."
Two things to note from the above scouting report, contrary to what you may know about Burks already: 1) He can run the point, a role he'll surely fill from time to time on the Jazz, and 2) He's considered to have the tools to be a "pretty good defender."
This earned him a lift to Boulder to play for the Buffaloes where he proved a willing rebounder out of the backcourt, a desperate need now filled on the Utah roster. As a freshman wing/combo guard he pulled in the sixth highest rebound total by a Buffs frosh and dropped a season-high 27 points on his home-state Missouri club, showing a willingness to get to the rim almost at will and a surprising ability to see the court.
He was extremely efficient offensively his debut year in Mile High country.
Delving deeper into Alec's illustrious career as a Buffalo I reached out to a local hoops fanatic and SBNation to try and glean more about the dynamic 6'6" 19-year old baller who has already embraced Jazz Fan with his whole heart.
While other kids would be watching cartoons and wrestling, for 20 years --most of it in Colorado-- Justin watched basketball and football. "It's all I had. And all I wanted."
"The first time I saw Alec Burks play during his freshman year at Colorado I remember thinking, 'How’d he end up in Boulder?' My next thought veered towards a sense of foreboding catastrophe. We don’t get players like this. He was bound to get terribly injured somewhere along the way, keeping Colorado a basketball afterthought and ruining what appeared to be a promising professional career. I lived with this fear every time I watched Burks on the basketball court. Which, sadly, took away the joy that comes with watching such an unbelievably talented player apply his craft.
In the midst of all this negative thought, however, I observed him with an acute eye. How could you not? He was regularly the best player on the floor."
I asked Justin why the difference in offensive efficiency from year one to year two at Colorado. His response bodes well for Burks' future as a Jazzman in an historically structured professional environment.
Bob Bell, three-year veteran author at SBNation's Colorado Buffaloes blog, The Ralphie Report, was kind enough to also humor me and my curiosity about Burks as a Buff. Coming off yet another beatdown of his hometown boys from Mizzou, a college career high 36 points, Bell recalls a pleasantly surprising upset of the 2oth ranked K-State Wildcats.
This shows a willingness by Burks to do dirty work, whatever is necessary, to help his team to a win even if his game is off for a night. He'd pull down 7 boards on this occasion.
"Missouri's win was certainly impressive but many probably chalked it up to a great performance by a great player in Alec Burks. Burks, the team's leading scorer and future NBA player, scored 36 against the Tigers carrying the Buffs on his back to victory.
What was more impressive about Wednesday's win against Kansas State on the road was Burks didn't play great.didn't set the world on fire. The Buffs won without their two best players scoring a ton of points and taking over the game...that's a great sign. Yes, Burks certainly made some crucial shots down the stretch showing no Wildcat could stop him getting to the hole. But overall, Burks 12 points came on making 4-15 shots, well below his usual efficient play. Cory Higgins only took four shots from the field and had nine points.
Bottom line, Colorado won as a team tonight and won because they are making a commitment on the boards and the defensive end of the floor."
The Utah Jazz Blog: You both closely watched Alec Burks' college career unfold. What kind of a personality does Burks have?
Bell, The Ralphie Report: I think he is a pretty calm and laid back guy. Never got too high, never got too low. I don’t think he is going to blow you away from a charismatic standpoint but believe he has the right temperament to weather those tough NBA days that are bound to happen.
Justin, Smooth's Hoops: Alec Burks is a young man of quiet confidence. He lets the game come to him so he can dissect it with a smooth precision. He's not a vocal leader. He's more-so an emotional leader -- a leader by example. I've heard him compare his game to to Brandon Roy's. I'd compare his temperament to Roy as well. He's not showy, not flashy, nor exuberant. He just works. He should fit in well with Utah's philosophy.
TUJB: He recently said he models his game after Brandon Roy. Is there a player you see his career becoming similar to, or one he reminded you of from his days at Colorado?
Bell, TRR: Brandon Roy is a good comparison, I think Roy might have a slightly better jump shot now than Burks does but I think Roy put some work in to improve that part of his game. Where I think Burks will immediately add value is his ability to get to the free throw line like Carmelo Anthony did in Denver. Burks has deceiving strength to get to the rim and create, much more than a player like Klay Thompson who is thought of as a perimeter player.
Justin, SH: He has compared his game to Brandon Roy. I just compared his temperament to Roy. It is very, very difficult to project what sort of career path he may take because that depends on a lot of underlying factors. I don't see him making an immediate impact. First off, because his jumper isn't steady yet. Secondly, because he's going to find it harder to get to the rim in the NBA. The athletes are so much quicker, faster, and longer than what he faced in college that he's going to go through an adjustment period. Also, he's going to have to adjust to the NBA's officiating. Something he'll likely have to do on a nightly basis. First, because he's a rookie. It's going to be inconsistent for him all year. Second, because the pro game isn't officiated in the same ways as college. But one thing is for certain, he WILL get to the line in the NBA. And eventually, it will happen in bunches.
TUJB: How did he interact with his teammates/coaches?
Bell, TRR: I think he was well respected on the team. Never heard of any controversies in the locker room, seems like he got along with everyone.
Justin, SH: As I said in my blog post, Alec Burks interacts with his teammates and coaches like a true professional. He approaches practice in the same way he does each and every game. He's consistent in ways other players his age are not. All he's wanted to do from day one is provide a better life for his mother. He's said as much in his tweets from last fall. I think it is because of this devotion to his mother that he takes his job on the basketball court so seriously. I wouldn't be surprised if he hadn't already purchased Dina Burks (his mom) a new house. She means everything to him. And he's not one to [be shy] about it.
"He's always had a basketball; he was kind of born with it. His dad and his grandfather played, his brother played . . . it was going to happen. He's always been a natural and I've always known it. There wasn't this 'oh, wow' thing that happened when he was 5 or 15. It was a God-given gift, just a part of him." -Dina Burks
Dina Burks estimates she and her husband, Steve, were able to watch "80 to 90 percent" of Alec's college games and believes they will able to attend at least that many of his NBA games. Via the Colorado Buffaloes official website
TUJB: Is he coachable, willing to get better?
Bell, TRR: To be determined. This is a question mark to me with Alec just because we really don’t know yet. He was a great player with Colorado and really was able to take over basketball games with his talent. He was only at Colorado for two years under two different coaches so I don’t know if we necessarily saw a great bond form based on the short time period. This one is a little TBD until we see how he progresses after three years or so in the same system.
Justin, SH: Yes. Beyond so.
"He's just a fun kid. He always brings energy and he's a great teammate. Everyone has seen the things that he can do. I've watched him for two years now and he still finds stuff that I can`t believe he does," said center Shane Harris-Tunks, a member of Burks` recruiting class. "Playing pick-up before our freshman season even started he had a couple of those 'Wow!` moments where you knew he was going to be good.
"Once Alec realized what he was capable of he just took off."
CU's director of basketball operations, Rodney Billups, younger brother of Chauncey, opened up doors for Alec when the Buffs visited and played in New York's Madison Square Garden.
"Chauncey has been wonderful. Not just with Alec, but with the whole Colorado team," Dina Burks said. "He has kind of taken them all under his wing and given them guidance. He`s a really good mentor, he's a good man, and he's a blessing for the university." Via buffzone
TUJB: What things does he do best and what parts of his game can be improved on at the NBA level with a team like Utah?
Burks has a great ability to get to the rim which helps him shoot a high percentage and score points in bunches. He is deadly when he moves without the basketball cutting towards the rim. He also knows how to get to the free throw line and when he is there, he shoots a high percentage. Very comparable to a Carmelo Anthony in his ability to get to the paint and score or get fouled. He isn't a flashy scorer but the type of scorer when you look at the stat sheet every night, he has 24 points, 8 rebounds and 3 steals.
His size is another great quality for a perimeter player and he may be growing still. At 6'6", he has the ability to elevate over small players on the perimeter. He isn't afraid to rebound and when he commits himself, he can be a good defender.
The biggest weakness you will read about Burks is his outside shot. He isn't a great three point shooter with most of his points coming from within 15 feet. He has an unorthodox shot mechanically that will need to be fine tuned. He can score from the outside but he has a long way to go to become a "shooting" guard instead of a simply inhabiting the 2 spot. Sometimes he can get lackadaisical on the defensive end. A coach that can keep his motor going night in and night out on both ends of the floor will get the most out of Alec. He also could add some weight which will help him stay healthy and maintain success over an 82 game season.
Has room to grow as a ball handler.
He has all the talent and athleticism you could want in a perimeter player. He is very young and has room to grow into his frame. If he can become more consistent with his outside shot, he can score from anywhere on the court. He isn't afraid of contact and his ability to get into the paint is a great way to fill up the stat sheet on an off shooting night.
Justin, SH: Alec Burks is an incredible slasher. Some said he was the best in the draft. I wouldn't find much reason to disagree.
The first time I watched him play he immediately brought Allen Iverson to mind. No, not in size or stature, but in the ways he would get to the rim and draw contact. He's a foul-drawing machine. But, like I said above, it's going to take him some time to adjust to the NBA. For a guard, he's an incredibly effective rebounder. Because he's sort of a cerebral player, he's always in-tune to the game. It allows him to rebound better than bigger guys. He can read the ball off the rim. His incredible length doesn't hurt, either.
As for things he could improve on, first and foremost, he needs to work on his jumper. And in doing so, he needs to pay special attention to his balance and building up his core and lower-body strength. Not only should this improve the accuracy of his jumper, it should also bulk him up. You can compare your game to Brandon Roy all you want, but you also weigh 15-20 lbs. less. He HAS to bulk up some in order to handle the rigors of the 82-game NBA schedule.
Even though he only averaged just over two assists per game in college, I feel he is an underrated passer. Because of his cerebral approach, he can see passing lanes others don't. He has an incredible feel for the game. His instincts are top-notch. Which make him, when he's finally able, the right guy to go to in crunch-time.
If he bulks up, I could see him earning time at shooting guard, point guard, and even some stretches at small forward. It's been a while since Utah has had such a diverse player at the two-guard. He's in a different mold entirely.
"In closing, the only thing I can say about Burks is that he's going to be fine. He's likable, humble, and willing to work hard in order to be successful in the NBA. He's incredibly close to his mother. Everything he does in life, he does with her in mind. I think he has the potential to be one of the top rookies in the league next season. And that's not just a homer talking. I feel this way because he excels in the skill that no one can teach: rebounding. And rebounding will get you lots of playing time. Tyrone Corbin is going to love him. And Utah Jazz fans will as well.
As a Nuggets fan, I only ask one thing: Keep him away from that Matt Harpring!"
Thanks to our guests for taking the time to educate us, and a special thanks to The Ralphie Report's Jon Woods for lending us Bob Bell's expertise as well as @jashin_mizuho for continuing his amazing artwork dedicated to the Utah Jazz for the header pic, all rights reserved. Please visit his website for information on how to obtain his works